[x3d-public] What is the metaverse?

John Carlson yottzumm at gmail.com
Fri May 2 07:36:46 PDT 2025 

The Metaverse is when you fall,  it doesn’t hurt, you don’t get wet,  and
you didn’t land in bed, foam, sand or plants.

But sometimes, in the metaverse, you try real hard to fall, and the system
doesn’t let you.

We’re basically always in 3D, unless you use your third eye and see in
triplicate.

I remember playing GTA 5 and then driving a real car.  Quite a trip!

One can never escape a self-enveloping universe.   There’s no outside.


Wherever you go, there you are.  Jon Kabat-Zinn

John
On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 9:10 AM Joe D Williams via x3d-public <
x3d-public at web3d.org> wrote:

> What is the metaverse?
>
> So, in the wonderful WWW-based
> ExperienceVerse we are describing,
> one big question comes up.
>
> How do you know you are using
> this Immersive Web?
>
> Or, in fact, how to tell if you,
> as the author or user or participant,
> are currently Immersed in any
> real, virtual, or mixed digital,
> and maybe some analog, simulation
> generated by humans and their machines?
>
> With consultation from:
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/johannes-behr-501ab67
> and this Behr-Polys collaboration,
>
> https://metaverse-standards.org/news/blog/building-the-world-wide-webiverse/
> it turns out the answer is actually simple.
>
> When you are navigating and interacting
> in a 3D environment then you are there.
>
> The legacy web is 2D and the metaverse web is 3D,
> even nD+1.
>
> Further we might say the experience is when and where
> time and events drive the experience and,
> this is important, you have suspended your disbelief
> or are otherwise convinced you and your Character/Avatar
> can navigate and interact with the given environment.
>
> So, the virtuality may be a special box on a web page
> that shows a realistic spinning tennis shoe that
> you can examine.
> Or, a highfi realtime simulation of a favorite
> exploration as interactive as your equipment
> and bandwidth can provide.
> It only matters if you directly or
> through your digital you,
> you can feel like you are a part of the show
> and share with others.
>
> Oh yes, another very important attribute of
> this virtual reality concept is that you
> must be able to extract your character and
> yourself from the production and return to
> your natural self.
>
> Thanks Johannes and All Best,
> Joe
>
>
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> Cc: Christoph Valentin <christoph.valentin at gmx.at></
> christoph.valentin at gmx.at>
> Subject: Re: [x3d-public] Re: What is the metaverse?
>
> Hi John,
>
> I do not want to discuss all those terms (XR, AR, AV, VR), as I have the
> feeling, they are descriptions of concrete technologies, that tell us, HOW
> something is implemented.
>
> My concern is about WHAT are we doing with them?
>
> More technological term: what's the use case?
>
> Or generally, what are the effects on society, on the psyche of the people.
>
> More a philosophic point of view, if you like.
>
> All the best
> CP/V
>
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> Am 02.05.25, 14:23 schrieb John Carlson via x3d-public <
> x3d-public at web3d.org (<a="" href=""> (http://web3d.org (http://web3d.org)))>:MR
> used to be a derogatory term. Not preferred. John</x3d-public at web3d.org>
> On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 6:49 AM Christoph Valentin via x3d-public <
> x3d-public at web3d.org (mailto:x3d-public at web3d.org)=""> wrote:Correction:</
> x3d-public at web3d.org>
>
> I mean, MR does not "extend" reality, it's just a special part of reality,
> which deals with immersive, interactive, multiuser story telling, command
> and control
>
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> Am 02.05.25, 13:41 schrieb Christoph Valentin via x3d-public <
> x3d-public at web3d.org (<a="" href=""> (http://web3d.org (http://web3d.org)))>:The
> "metaverse" is the thing, that is perceived by the user, but that's
> nothing, that must be specified</x3d-public at web3d.org>
>
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> Am 02.05.25, 13:33 schrieb Christoph Valentin via x3d-public <
> x3d-public at web3d.org (<a="" href=""> (http://web3d.org (http://web3d.org
> )))>:Hi,</x3d-public at web3d.org>
>
> I like "mixed reality = virtual reality + real reality".
>
> I mean, VR does not "extend" reality, it's just a special part of reality,
> which deals with immersive, interactive story telling, command and control
>
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> Am 30.04.25, 20:33 schrieb John Carlson via x3d-public <
> x3d-public at web3d.org (<a="" href=""> (http://web3d.org (http://web3d.org)))>:I
> kind of like “Spatial Internet” is to Metaverse/World as
> Internet is to Website. Perhaps “extended-reality” would be
> better than “virtual-reality.” Meaning we’ve extended
> beyond mere VR into other accessible media including the passive and active
> external environments. This means that real objects with behaviors can be
> brought into each metaverse, and many metaverses can be viewed in the
> metaverse, and state can transfer between metaverses via the external
> environments. XRML anyone?</x3d-public at web3d.org>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 1:06 PM Joe D Williams via x3d-public <
> x3d-public at web3d.org (mailto:x3d-public at web3d.org)=""> wrote:</
> x3d-public at web3d.org>
> This XR idea of our blossoming metaverse to integrate
> realtime Spatial anchors and assets of the current reality
> with realtime Scene anchors and assets of the current virtuality
> means the metaverse definition of our Immersive Web
> needs to be extended.
>
> From Google Dictionary
> (Current) Definition from Oxford Languages &middot;
> met&middot;a&middot;verse
> /ˈmedəˌvərs/
> noun Computing
>
> "a virtual-reality space in which users can interact with
> a computer-generated environment and other users"
>
> New Extended Candidate:
> metaverse or webiverse or webimetaverse, or whatever, you get the idea.
>
> "a virtual-reality space in which a user can interact with
> the real external environment,
> a computer-generated environment,
> and other real and virtual users"
>
> All Good for the WWW,
> Joe
>
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