[x3d-public] animated 3D multiuser. When? How?

Mon Apr 18 05:21:22 PDT 2022

Joe, Don,

May I answer to your e-mail, Joe, now when work on X3D4 seems to be mostly over.

Joe, you write: [...]I would suggest continue getting all available info on past work on network sensor then trying to make a date with the x3d graphics team, I think probably Don  is mediating, and get a time in the future to describe what you are doing[...]

What am I doing?

Well, obviously there was no consensus about the Network Sensor within the consortium in the past, therefore I thought an approach "completely out of the box", where I am an external person to everyone in the consortium, might help.

Therefore I suggested an "Application Layer Protocol" (ALP), which would harm everybody within the consortium, hence nobody would be preferred.

I didn't encounter any interest.

Now, since March 24th 2022, when I started the S&P-ARK project (S&P-ARK = Simple Playground, Achieving Required Knowledge), I have been learning and I am still learning Web Technology (which is something like a chicken crossing the road :-) ). In fact, I do not really know, WHY I am doing that.

However, I would be willing to lead the implementation of an experimental implementation of a server based on Node.js ( I call it the SALSA - Simple ALP Login Server Application ). I would be willing to share a vServer, which I have rented for my hobbies originally (80 GB disk space), to create an ALPES = ALP, Experimental Setup.

Note: what connects us? les alpes

The conditio sine qua non: the implementation needs to be done according to the paradigm "it's done, when it's done". I don't need stress during my scarce spare time, I have enough of it during office hours.

Conclusion: I don't see any meaning in my efforts, if there is no interest by the members of the consortium (X3DOM, X-ITE, BS Contact, Octage, Instant Player, ............).

Looking forward to an answer,
Yours Christoph (CP/V)

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Betreff: RE: [x3d-public] animated 3D multiuser. When? How?

Hi Christoph,
I think everyone is working on x3d4, next full documentation for next extension and update of x3d and so maybe does not have a time for working on this now, even as it is so important for the future of x3d. I would suggest continue getting all available info on past work on network sensor then trying to make a date with the x3d graphics team, I think probably Don  is mediating, and get a time in the future to describe what you are doing. Or, somehow get the interest of current x3d tools. Also, making sure this x3d networksensor would handle any new features related to webxr and related.
Thanks for All,
Joe

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Subject: RE: [x3d-public] animated 3D multiuser. When? How?

Hi Joe,

>>>>> Along the way web3d can help achieve meaningful agreement and possible advancement to standards-track.

Would be great to receive official feed back at the list about my "ALP" proposal from last January:
https://github.com/christoph-v/spark/tree/master/ALP[https://github.com/christoph-v/spark/tree/master/ALP]

Kindest regards
Christoph

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Am 12.11.21, 22:52 schrieb Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>:
When? How?

and Who? Or more accurate which groups of people and products.

Good question. Answered by: Who is showing these x3d scene features that use x3d best practices and widely accepted standards, and with at least one comparable independent implementation along with suitable node and field and event documentation? Along the way web3d can help achieve meaningful agreement and possible advancement to standards-track.

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To: Nicholas Polys[mailto:npolys at vt.edu]
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Subject: Re: [x3d-public] animated 3D multiuser. When? How?

>>>>> Happy to hear if anyone thinks it worth carrying forward

Might be that you are personally happy, but obviously the work is not appreciated by the rest of the community.

And many people underestimate the efforts that are inherent to a CVE.

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