[x3d-public] Re: What is the metaverse?

[John Carlson]

If we discuss WHAT, it’s the same thing all over again.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%201&version=NIV

There are already viruses of all types.

What I’m doing is creating DB-Emacs for the deafblind, the doing a social
network for the deafblind.   You’re welcome to join me.

Your next question is, is there money in it?   The social network will need
contacts, that’s JSONverse in DB-Emacs.  Contacts becomes Customer
Relations Management system.   Add 3D and it manages 3D assets.   Then
people want to sell assets and it becomes a 3D model store.  Then people
have to manage the store, that’s work.  I could go on.  I could use an
architect.   It’s a whole lot like Product Lifecycle Management.   I call
it Product 1.0.

God called me to the deafblind.  My original idea was to have a program by
dance project.


My current idea is to translate Emacs source code to Formal SignWriting.
You can look into it.   We can probably trust that the robotics people can
come up with sign language output.  What we need is a corresponding input
method for deafblind sign language.   I need to study that.  Join the
Metaverse Standards Forum Discord and the accessibility channel.

On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 7:46 AM Christoph Valentin <christoph.valentin at gmx.at>
wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> I do not want to discuss all those terms (XR, AR, AV, VR), as I have the
> feeling, they are descriptions of concrete technologies, that tell us, HOW
> something is implemented.
>
> My concern is about WHAT are we doing with them?
>
> More technological term: what's the use case?
>
> Or generally, what are the effects on society, on the psyche of the people.
>
> More a philosophic point of view, if you like.
>
> All the best
> CP/V
>
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> Am 02.05.25, 14:23 schrieb John Carlson via x3d-public <x3d-public@
> web3d.org>:
>>
>> MR used to be a derogatory term.  Not preferred.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 6:49 AM Christoph Valentin via x3d-public <
>> x3d-public at web3d.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Correction:
>>>
>>> I mean, MR does not "extend" reality, it's just a special part of
>>> reality, which deals with immersive, interactive, multiuser story telling,
>>> command and control
>>>
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>>> Am 02.05.25, 13:41 schrieb Christoph Valentin via x3d-public <x3d-public@
>>> web3d.org>:
>>>
>>>> The "metaverse" is the thing, that is perceived by the user, but that's
>>>> nothing, that must be specified
>>>>
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>>>> Am 02.05.25, 13:33 schrieb Christoph Valentin via x3d-public
>>>> <x3d-public at web3d.org>:
>>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I like "mixed reality = virtual reality + real reality".
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, VR does not "extend" reality, it's just a special part of
>>>>> reality, which deals with immersive, interactive story telling, command and
>>>>> control
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Am 30.04.25, 20:33 schrieb John Carlson via x3d-public <x3d-public@
>>>>> web3d.org>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I kind of like “Spatial Internet” is to Metaverse/World as Internet
>>>>>> is to Website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps “extended-reality” would be better than “virtual-reality.”
>>>>>> Meaning we’ve extended beyond mere VR into other accessible media including
>>>>>> the passive and active external environments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This means that real objects with behaviors can be brought into each
>>>>>> metaverse, and many metaverses can be viewed in the metaverse, and state
>>>>>> can transfer between metaverses via the external environments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> XRML anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 1:06 PM Joe D Williams via x3d-public <
>>>>>> x3d-public at web3d.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This XR idea of our blossoming metaverse to integrate
>>>>>>> realtime Spatial anchors and assets of the current reality
>>>>>>> with realtime Scene anchors and assets of the current virtuality
>>>>>>> means the metaverse definition of our Immersive Web
>>>>>>> needs to be extended.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From Google Dictionary
>>>>>>> (Current) Definition from Oxford Languages ·
>>>>>>> met·a·verse
>>>>>>> /ˈmedəˌvərs/
>>>>>>> noun Computing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "a virtual-reality space in which users can interact with
>>>>>>> a computer-generated environment and other users"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New Extended Candidate:
>>>>>>> metaverse or webiverse or webimetaverse, or whatever, you get the
>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "a virtual-reality space in which a user can interact with
>>>>>>> the real external environment,
>>>>>>> a computer-generated environment,
>>>>>>> and other real and virtual users"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All Good for the WWW,
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>
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