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Re: [www-vrml] Re: [x3d-public] Web3D Zeitgeist - most popular format, one year on.
Hi again list,
It seems Adobe have Reader version 5.5 for users on 95 which makes it a
little hard to run 3D PDF with version 7 (I hope Adobe didn't spend much for
that). I am glad that I spent the 9mb connecting to the Adobe site for the
latest update un-titled web page with "version 5.5" that automaticly
downloads on browser detection. No simple scripts to detect if AR5.5 was
already installed, and I wonder how many users will ask - where is my 3D
after "9megs" compaired to something like VRML/X3D viewers at 1Meg.
Considering the platforms of the future I have to also wonder about i-mode
compatable devices, and '2D' SVG (with no Adobe spash screen and works on
95).
I think I will stick with SGI / OpenGL based products, or those that extend
the drivers format in TEXT with file protocols like web3D X3D and VRML.
Just as HTML rules the planet with its ability to link, I think Text based
3D is here to stay for the same reasons.
In any light - I can not see how a PDF 3D server can be setup without
costing the earth and why would webmasters give up a users control of Text
content for someone like Adobe's free readers splash screen to create a
profit of a so-called open binary format. In my view PDF3D and U3D is the
same as Gzipping wrl or using openHSF without any real tools in creating a
sales environment on the back of '5,000,000,000' downloads by people like me
with AR5.5. - what's in a number?
I hope 3DPDF does take off along with U3D. However I wonder if "binary is
still a control freaks format" ?
Regards,
Jason
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Richardson" <richards@spawar.navy.mil>
To: <x3d-public@web3d.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: [www-vrml] Re: [x3d-public] Web3D Zeitgeist - most popular
format, one year on.
> Hello,
>
> If U3D is just a variant of Shockwave3D, then consider the following:
>
> 1) Adobe owns Macromedia.
> 2) Adobe owns PDF.
>
> So, why would they not put their new acquisition's technology into one of
> their market leading flagship products.
>
> Adobe probably wanted to do this years ago, presumably with Atmosphere
(VET
> is the technology). VET competed with Shockwave3D. I assume that Adobe
then
> decided that Shockwave3D was better or they could control the licensing of
> Shockwave3D or both.
>
> Now, what does this have to do with Web3D?
>
> Devil's advocate answer: Web3D is delivering 3-D content on the web. If
you
> send a 3-D PDF via the web it is Web3D.
>
> Anti-Devils advocate retort: Well fine, but I was hoping that I could do a
> distributed CFD simulation in my PDF document (or among them). Please let
me
> know when that happens. Oh, I'd also like to have a multiuser chat between
> PDF's. Please have Adobe send me an email when that happens. Oh, did I
> mention that it had to work on the MAC. Yes, the MAC, make it work on the
> MAC...Hah, Hah, Hah.......
>
> NOTE: I hope 3-D PDF's take off and gain in popularity. PDF's are great.
3-D
> in PDF's is really cool. Even if it is PC only, still cool and groovy. I
> also hope that Adobe can integrate Director, Shockwave3D and the web in
> PDF's or some other solution so they can perform Director web based
> simulations. Director is very powerful and cross platform (works on the
> MAC).
>
> Oh, and could Adobe take on KML with U3D. What a glorious battle that
would
> be. Please, could someone prod Adobe into that......just for my amusement.
>
> Lastly, thanks to Viveka for exploding this discusion onto the web in a
> fantastic groovy totally hip thread....
>
> John F. Richardson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-x3d-public@web3d.org [mailto:owner-x3d-public@web3d.org]On
> Behalf Of Joshua Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:35 AM
> To: John Carlson
> Cc: X3D Graphics public mailing list
> Subject: Re: [www-vrml] Re: [x3d-public] Web3D Zeitgeist - most popular
> format, one year on.
>
>
>
> On Sep 27, 2005, at 2:29 AM, John Carlson wrote:
>
> >
> >> Make standard web 3D as trouble free to use as a normal web page and
> >> then there will be a wider adoption. As long as installation is also
> >> relatively simple.
> >
> > My prediction: Microsoft will win the Web 3D war.
>
> My prediction, nobody will "win" the Web 3D war, because:
> 1) There is no web 3D war;
> 2) Like the "browser war", it looked like MS won, and now they're
> starting to lose ground... these things never end.
>
> However, if you're placing bets, I think the smart money is on Adobe
> taking the lead as the web 3D content delivery platform of choice. The
> response we've gotten from customers for our new 3D PDF offerings is
> amazing. Marketing folks REALLY like PDF, and the REALLY REALLY like
> interactive 3D content in those PDFs. (For some cool examples, look at
> http://www.kaon.com/3DPDF.html ; for a commercial deployment, see
> http://www.sun.com/nc/05q3/products/x4100.jsp )
>
> Sure would have been cool if Adobe had adopted X3D instead of U3D. Oh
> well...
>
> -Joshua Smith
> CTO/Alpha Geek
> jesmith@kaon.com
> Kaon Interactive Inc.
> Tel. (978) 823-0111 x111
>
> http://www.kaon.com/
>
> Kaon Interactive
> Web-Enabled Sales Solutions for Product Companies
>
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