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Re: [www-vrml] Re: [x3d-public] Web3D Zeitgeist - most popular format, one year on.
How could they be specific? If a non expert user tries something and
it does not work, they are not going to know or remember specifically
why. A lot of the problem of perception of VRML falls at our feet: we
have not provided something that just works. Kaon and others like
them may not be using a standard but they solved the usability problem
by downloading what was needed with the content.
When I think of the long history of difficulties relating to EAI I
think: don't blame others - we, the purveyors of standard web3D,
created a perception problem with the vast majority of non experts who
tried it and found it did not "just work". The reasons for this
problem may extend beyond just EAI, it may have to do with size and
complexity of the language too, I suspect.
Make standard web 3D as trouble free to use as a normal web page and
then there will be a wider adoption. As long as installation is also
relatively simple.
cheers,
chris
On 9/27/05, steve guynup <exposedfield@yahoo.com> wrote:
> meaningless criticism, meaningless numbers,
>
> perhaps a look at / filtering by date would be
> helpful. or by file type. Far from perfect, but better
> and still in the range of easy research for the
> unpaid.
>
> my personal beef, has been the criticism of the
> language not on its technical merits, but its
> fashionablity. (Had two old hypertext scholars give me
> grief about using VRML, their laughter didn't last
> long when I asked for specifics). Since so many of the
> people in the uninformed world respond well to flawed
> data gathering, I don't particularly mind that which
> works in my favor.
>
>
>
>
> --- Joshua Smith <jesmith@kaon.com> wrote:
>
> > For some reason, these absurd exercises really get
> > under my skin...
> >
> > > In August 2004 I was wondering about the relative
> > popularity of
> > > various Web3D formats. No hard data was available.
> > So I turned as one
> > > does in such a situation, to Google.
> >
> > Gee, let's see. I wonder what the "relative
> > popularity" of various
> > viruses are? Blaster: 6.5M, Netsky: 0.6M,
> > Kournikova: 2.3M; there you
> > have it, Blaster is much more "popular" than
> > Kournikova...
> >
> > Here's what your numbers say to me...
> >
> > 1) Of the free formats that students and hobbyists
> > have lots of
> > questions and really bad demos, 10-year-old VRML has
> > a lot more
> > references than 4-year-old X3D. What a shock.
> > [[You should go visit
> > the top 100 hits for VRML, by the way. You'll
> > quickly see that it is a
> > wasteland of ancient demos, dead links, and pages
> > that have absolutely
> > nothing to do with VRML (hit #6... Computer
> > Associates! huh?)]]
> >
> > 2) As google & friends continue to index more
> > obscure parts of the web,
> > the number of hits on everything continues to
> > increase.
> >
> > 3) When you search for the name of an obscure
> > underlying technology
> > (U3D) you get a lot fewer hits than you get if you
> > search for the
> > extremely popular formats that use that technology
> > ("3D PDF").
> >
> > If you really want to know what technology people
> > use to deploy web 3D,
> > it is a much harder exercise than some silly
> > googlewhacking. For
> > example, search google for site:dell.com 3d and
> > you'll see that we have
> > created dozens, maybe hundreds, of interactive web
> > 3D experiences at
> > dell. However, because Dell is a commercial
> > enterprise with their own
> > branding to worry about, you are going to have to
> > dig to find out what
> > technology made that 3D appear (for example, right
> > click on the
> > applet). Google is hard-pressed to realize that
> > Kaon's technology
> > produced those pages.
> >
> > The same would be true if you went crawling the web
> > looking for
> > Viewpoint 3D or Cult 3D or Shockwave 3D or any other
> > 3D format that is
> > actually used in the commercial web.
> >
> > Despite the 4 million hits you found, I'm hard
> > pressed to think of a
> > single example of VRML being used in a commercial
> > application...
> >
> > -Joshua Smith
> > CTO/Alpha Geek
> > jesmith@kaon.com
> > Kaon Interactive Inc.
> > Tel. (978) 823-0111 x111
> >
> > http://www.kaon.com/
> >
> > Kaon Interactive
> > Web-Enabled Sales Solutions for Product Companies
> >
> > On Sep 25, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Viveka Weiley wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I've repeated my survey of google hits for the
> > major Web3D formats.
> > > The results surprised me...
> > >
> > > http://www.karmanaut.com/virtuality/zeitgeist/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > V.
> > > --
> > > Viveka Weiley, Karmanaut. http://www.karmanaut.com
> > > For a Free Geospace: http://www.planet-earth.org |
> >
> > > http://www.ping.com.au
> > > VR on the Mac: http://www.MacWeb3D.org
> > >
> > >
> >
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> --- Joshua Smith <jesmith@kaon.com> wrote:
>
> > For some reason, these absurd exercises really get
> > under my skin...
> >
> > > In August 2004 I was wondering about the relative
> > popularity of
> > > various Web3D formats. No hard data was available.
> > So I turned as one
> > > does in such a situation, to Google.
> >
> > Gee, let's see. I wonder what the "relative
> > popularity" of various
> > viruses are? Blaster: 6.5M, Netsky: 0.6M,
> > Kournikova: 2.3M; there you
> > have it, Blaster is much more "popular" than
> > Kournikova...
> >
> > Here's what your numbers say to me...
> >
> > 1) Of the free formats that students and hobbyists
> > have lots of
> > questions and really bad demos, 10-year-old VRML has
> > a lot more
> > references than 4-year-old X3D. What a shock.
> > [[You should go visit
> > the top 100 hits for VRML, by the way. You'll
> > quickly see that it is a
> > wasteland of ancient demos, dead links, and pages
> > that have absolutely
> > nothing to do with VRML (hit #6... Computer
> > Associates! huh?)]]
> >
> > 2) As google & friends continue to index more
> > obscure parts of the web,
> > the number of hits on everything continues to
> > increase.
> >
> > 3) When you search for the name of an obscure
> > underlying technology
> > (U3D) you get a lot fewer hits than you get if you
> > search for the
> > extremely popular formats that use that technology
> > ("3D PDF").
> >
> > If you really want to know what technology people
> > use to deploy web 3D,
> > it is a much harder exercise than some silly
> > googlewhacking. For
> > example, search google for site:dell.com 3d and
> > you'll see that we have
> > created dozens, maybe hundreds, of interactive web
> > 3D experiences at
> > dell. However, because Dell is a commercial
> > enterprise with their own
> > branding to worry about, you are going to have to
> > dig to find out what
> > technology made that 3D appear (for example, right
> > click on the
> > applet). Google is hard-pressed to realize that
> > Kaon's technology
> > produced those pages.
> >
> > The same would be true if you went crawling the web
> > looking for
> > Viewpoint 3D or Cult 3D or Shockwave 3D or any other
> > 3D format that is
> > actually used in the commercial web.
> >
> > Despite the 4 million hits you found, I'm hard
> > pressed to think of a
> > single example of VRML being used in a commercial
> > application...
> >
> > -Joshua Smith
> > CTO/Alpha Geek
> > jesmith@kaon.com
> > Kaon Interactive Inc.
> > Tel. (978) 823-0111 x111
> >
> > http://www.kaon.com/
> >
> > Kaon Interactive
> > Web-Enabled Sales Solutions for Product Companies
> >
> > On Sep 25, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Viveka Weiley wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I've repeated my survey of google hits for the
> > major Web3D formats.
> > > The results surprised me...
> > >
> > > http://www.karmanaut.com/virtuality/zeitgeist/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > V.
> > > --
> > > Viveka Weiley, Karmanaut. http://www.karmanaut.com
> > > For a Free Geospace: http://www.planet-earth.org |
> >
> > > http://www.ping.com.au
> > > VR on the Mac: http://www.MacWeb3D.org
> > >
> > >
> >
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