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Re: [x3d-public] Web3D Zeitgeist - most popular format, one year on.
Hi Joshua and my thanks for posting back.
I agree with you 100% in regards of history and more-fully understand your
comments in relation of branding alot more with the text
"course-of-doing-business in e-commerce".
I think some 'e-commerce' is to remove or prevent a customers customer (and
oposition) from knowlage they have not paid for, need not have, etc.
Many thanks again.
Jason
:-)
I have a bad relationship with 'history' things and that is mainly because
"the dead tell no story and have no money".
PS: I too had a very big 'huh' with dead links being listed in google as
noted in your reply. I have yet too work-out a reason as to why they are
listed? (I can only hope that I did not answer this question with the text
above this line)
PSS: I liked the laptop demo's in 3D, as I had seen them years ago when
shopping for a new computer but reciently when I went looking for a 3D
solution in 2004 I could not find them as easily as I had done before, I
also had the simmilar experiance with a motor car company. The dell 3D
example was also shown to me by an IT rep who also noted the cool 3D, with
detail animations for moving parts, etc.
Both 3D displays were very well done. Both sites displayed their 3D content
makers (the car site was websphere - not sure about that as I can not locate
content today, its been removed, or altered, they now use a product by a
company named 'tekgroup' to provide the site content).
----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Smith
To: Jason Robinson
Cc: x3d-public@web3d.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [x3d-public] Web3D Zeitgeist - most popular format, one year
on.
Yup, that hit tells the story pretty well: That's our previous-generation
viewer, which we retired two years ago. Since then, web 3D has become such a
normal course-of-doing-business in e-commerce, that you can no longer get
away with putting branding like that on your viewer pages. If you search for
site:dell.com kaon you will not find a single product tour from the last 2
years. This just emphasizes my point that googlewhacking is a really bad way
to find out what formats are in use.
Or, to look at it another way: looking at history books is a really bad way
to judge what is popular today! Google hit counts tell you a lot more about
history than they tell you about what is going on right now.
-Joshua
On Sep 26, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Jason Robinson wrote:
Hello. I am new to this list and found the information help full (I would
like total number of sites held in the database from yr2000 vs amount in
yr2005, if the figure increases then I would expect the VRML amount increase
by the same persentage - however its clear that VRML increased by more then
it should of - but what would I know)...
While searching
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=site%3Adell.com+3d+&meta= I found
(from Australia searching the www) that Hit #9 describes that Google does
Know - they know all, and have it defined as an appropate link for the
results given at this time (today) with the text below:
Kaon Interactive Activate!3D Viewer
Java is currently not available on your browser. Please enable Java or
upgrade to the latest version of Netscape Navigator or Microsoft Internet
Explorer to ...
www.dell.com/html/emea/ virtualtours/inspiron/inspn500m.html - 2k - Cached -
Similar pages
Again my many thanks again for the information.
Jason Robinson
----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Smith
To: Viveka Weiley
Cc: X3D Graphics public mailing list ; mac-vrml-x3d@yahoogroups.com ;
X3D/VRML list
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [x3d-public] Web3D Zeitgeist - most popular format, one year
on.
For some reason, these absurd exercises really get under my skin...
In August 2004 I was wondering about the relative popularity of various
Web3D formats. No hard data was available. So I turned as one does in such a
situation, to Google.
Gee, let's see. I wonder what the "relative popularity" of various viruses
are? Blaster: 6.5M, Netsky: 0.6M, Kournikova: 2.3M; there you have it,
Blaster is much more "popular" than Kournikova...
Here's what your numbers say to me...
1) Of the free formats that students and hobbyists have lots of questions
and really bad demos, 10-year-old VRML has a lot more references than
4-year-old X3D. What a shock. [[You should go visit the top 100 hits for
VRML, by the way. You'll quickly see that it is a wasteland of ancient
demos, dead links, and pages that have absolutely nothing to do with VRML
(hit #6... Computer Associates! huh?)]]
2) As google & friends continue to index more obscure parts of the web, the
number of hits on everything continues to increase.
3) When you search for the name of an obscure underlying technology (U3D)
you get a lot fewer hits than you get if you search for the extremely
popular formats that use that technology ("3D PDF").
If you really want to know what technology people use to deploy web 3D, it
is a much harder exercise than some silly googlewhacking. For example,
search google for site:dell.com 3d and you'll see that we have created
dozens, maybe hundreds, of interactive web 3D experiences at dell. However,
because Dell is a commercial enterprise with their own branding to worry
about, you are going to have to dig to find out what technology made that 3D
appear (for example, right click on the applet). Google is hard-pressed to
realize that Kaon's technology produced those pages.
The same would be true if you went crawling the web looking for Viewpoint 3D
or Cult 3D or Shockwave 3D or any other 3D format that is actually used in
the commercial web.
Despite the 4 million hits you found, I'm hard pressed to think of a single
example of VRML being used in a commercial application...
-Joshua Smith
CTO/Alpha Geek
jesmith@kaon.com
Kaon Interactive Inc.
Tel. (978) 823-0111 x111
http://www.kaon.com/
Kaon Interactive
Web-Enabled Sales Solutions for Product Companies
On Sep 25, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Viveka Weiley wrote:
Hi all,
I've repeated my survey of google hits for the major Web3D formats.
The results surprised me...
http://www.karmanaut.com/virtuality/zeitgeist/
Regards,
V.
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VR on the Mac: http://www.MacWeb3D.org
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