RE: [www-vrml] Tim BL Is Baffled, Too Looooooonnnngggggg

[Neil TREVETT <Neil.Trevett@3dlabs.com>]

Hi Clayton,

>> of course it needs funds but i think you put too much emphasis on releasing code without monitoring its quality

No argument we need conformance tests - in progress

>> is my 100USD gonna make that much of a difference?

Nope - its not the money - the idea was to at least cover costs - and to prevent time wasters from joining and swamping the little organizational infrastructure we do have - but perhaps we should try free membership if $100 really is a barrier

>> for instance if you opened up your test suites to community involvement the necessary monies involved would drop dramatically

Yes - I agree open source can be a great way to develop code - far more-so than developing specifications

>> a consortium sponsored reference platform could have been delivered by now

What about xj3d?

>> consumer acceptance! don't see that happening with vrml/x3d - the more people try and fail with vrml ..the worse the consumer faith in it and im talking consumers , not develpers and programers

I agree - the way around this before the chasm is pragmatic vertical applications - where there is good success and happy customers

>> the first step in leading is always listening. its also about putting aside certain personal feelings about the subject

I am definitely listening - I have no personal agenda here other than to make this market a success.

Thanks for the input Clayton!

Neil

"Clayton Cottingham" <drfrog@telus.net>
Sent by: owner-www-vrml@web3d.org

10/02/2004 10:38 PM

To	"'Neil TREVETT'" <Neil.Trevett@3dlabs.com>
cc	"'VRML list'" <www-vrml@web3d.org>
Subject	RE: [www-vrml] Tim BL Is Baffled, Too Looooooonnnngggggg

of course it needs funds but i think you put too much emphasis on releasing code without monitoring its quality
 
is my 100USD gonna make that much of a difference?
 
there is a tonne of resources in this community if given a chance would help the consortium
 
much more worth than the $100usd per head you want to extract
 
for instance
if you opened up your test suites to community involvement the nessecary monies involved would drop dramatically
 
thats good business sense isnt it?
 

>> more often these solutions are market and financially driven.. not driven by the force of vr itself, sad isnt it? 

No - I don't believe it is sad - the way to make VR happen is through successful products and companies 

[Clayton Cottingham] 
 
vrml/x3d has had a significantly decent amount of time to deliver on this three fold......
 
if the consortium would have heeded my advice a while ago , a consortium sponsored reference platform could have been delivered by now
 
what makes a successful product? consumer acceptance! dont see that happening with vrml/x3d
 
the more people try and fail with vrml ..the worse the consumer faith in it and im talking consumers , not develpers and programers
 
 
>>  Neil, as the president of the web3d consortium it falls to you to provide some sort of leadership in this area 

Yes - that's what I am engaged in here :)   But I am not a application developer - it is applications that will catalyze the market need.  I believe the leadership that the Consortium needs is to patiently prepare the background infrastructure for great apps to take root in.   Glamorous?  No.  Necessary?  I believe so - that's why I am still here. 

[Clayton Cottingham] 
 
 
the first step in leading is always listening. its also about putting aside certain personal feelings about the subject that you may or may not have and seriously wiegh the situation and doing what right for VRML/X3D not this company or that one, but for the language itself
 
the language is where the true wealth is not the applications that may or may not be spawned
 
 
lots of good suggestions in here 
if you actually take them to heart you could drastically improve the situation
 
 
Thanks for listening
 
 
 
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