RE: [www-vrml] Tim BL Is Baffled, Too

["Clayton Cottingham" <drfrog@telus.net>]

>> surely a group or individual joining the consortium would be most interested in advancing the cause of web3d and that this should be their primary concern in subscribing to it. If ... they are more interested in their own status than the health of the language and surely VRML/X3D/the consortium doesn't need them.

Any successful standard needs corporate enlightened self-interest.  Companies have to be able to get a return - but those that get it realize its easier to establish a market and THEN fight for market share - rather than fight over the creation of an opportunity in the first place.   We can harness corporate greed to make an  opportunity for us all :)

[Clayton Cottingham] 

 

i thought you said web3d is a non profit?

:D

 

i dont think its nessecary for a standard to have corporate backing  and i of course agree that the health of the language is at risk here

 

 

why should the consortium be concerned with a company making money or not off the spec???

does the w3c worry if microsoft make money selling ie or not? of course not

 

 
>>  VRML/X3D/the consortium can survive without any corporate sponsors if it has plenty of users

I honestly don't believe that would be true - there is not the concentration of users to create a self-organizing community that could produce a specification roadmap - but I guess we can agree to disagree on this as I am suggesting that we harness BOTH the power of the community AND a Consortium to promote the cause.  One doesn't have to be exclusive of the other.  

Do we have a chance to make it happen?  Be honest :)

[Clayton Cottingham] 

 

I again agree with miriam and you should really look into it

 

the real resource here is the brain trust of all of us put together

 

not any governing body

 

you can make a differnece  if you start to listen to miriams big points, that the organization needs constant new blood, you cant put a price on new innovations, you stifle this invention and creativity by putting up this barrier to acceptance

 

 

 

it can happen it really can, there are tonnes of projects out there big and small that can counter this idea that a group cant create a spec roadmap

 

its not like it quantum mechanics you know