RE: [www-vrml] Tim BL Is Baffled, Too

["Clayton Cottingham" <drfrog@telus.net>]

When trying to sell 3d over 2d the main sticking point has always been
crossplatform reliability

Clients always ask me

Will it work everywhere? Will people be able to use 3d and be able to
purchaee stuff as easily as with 2d

I have to honestly answer them no, unless you have a captive audience; they
will all be using the same plugin then it's a no go

Im not saying linux is perfect, but for those people who include security in
there feature sets and specs you have to see that the choice is clear

As far as rfi/rfp's.. Well its not like the consortium seems approachable on
these things does it?

That's why jeff is doing xvrml.. Why freewrl and openvrml are doing things
regardless of the consortium feeling or blessings





A few percentage points? You obviously didn't click through on the links len

Firefox is gaining , and this new  jpg exploit isnt going to improve user
confidence in IE/M$






Besides all the business stuff this is about usability



As far as usability goes, vrml/x3d sucks It doesn't penetrate the net like
html does & it has no uniform programming interface..
Yes you can get your programming to work in this OR that plugin 

But rarely is it easy to get it to work in both

This disconnect is the main dysfunction in vrml/x3d and by ignoring it does
it go away?

As charles fourier would say

Squelch a passion and it causes dysfunction

The passion here , collectively, is to see a internet that embraces VR/3d as
a usable interface that no matter what o/s/browser/harware configuration you
can get into the VR and use it

Sounds simple?

So what is the disconnect?








> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bullard, Claude L (Len) [mailto:len.bullard@intergraph.com] 
> Sent: October 1, 2004 11:27 AM
> To: 'Clayton Cottingham'
> Cc: 'VRML list'
> Subject: RE: [www-vrml] Tim BL Is Baffled, Too
> 
> There definitely are upticks in the use of Linux.  We do see 
> RFIs that include Linux.  So far, we don't see RFPs that do. 
> Firefox has never been requested.  As far as how much market 
> share MS is losing, so far it has not amounted to more than a 
> few points and even then, the IE browser is still on the 
> desktop of most of these because Windows Update doesn't work 
> without it.
> 
> I don't object to any company making
> money, or any individual for that matter. 
> I object to someone saying they can't
> make money and not try to sell to where the market is because 
> that's not smart business.
> 
> len
> 
> 
> 
> From: Clayton Cottingham [mailto:drfrog@telus.net]
> 
> Actually m$ ie is loosing a lot of the market share to other browsers
> 
> Now you didn't say it directly but your wording leads one to 
> conclude you
> don't want to spend any time on the other '10%' market areas, which of
> course, as you know, your just throwing numbers out, no real 
> stats of any
> sorts
> 
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/15/028243&tid=154&tid=1
> 
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/04/1825227&tid=154&tid=1
> 
> 
> 
> More and more people and switching to linux and unix , as 
> well as just to
> firefox/mozilla
> 
> Why? because microsoft is insecure and they can be trusted to 
> secure their
> own desktop.
> 
> More and more countries and companies are switching to linux 
> , for the cost
> effectiveness and   security
> 
> So if one of those companies or countries need an x3d 
> solution what would
> you tell them? Move to M$?
> 
> 
> As someone else stated , html works fine across all platforms 
> 
> What can the consortium do to ensure vrml/x3d does the same? 
> 
> Its not rocket science , but championing  microsoft isnt the answer
> 
> .net might not be the answer either, sure it works for now, 
> but what about
> in 5 years? When MS add another layer of  complexity to their 
> programming
> schemes, its all about them making more money, the easiest 
> way to do this is
> to make another programming api a middle man tier
> 
> Something that stands in the way but doesn't effect the bottom line
> 
> Would you like fries with that?
> 
> The amount of money generated by introducing a middle man 
> program api is
> astounding, think about how much money M$ is making in training and
> softwares , just to get people on to .net/c#
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 


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