-----Original Message-----
From: owner-www-vrml@web3d.org
[mailto:owner-www-vrml@web3d.org] On Behalf Of Goncalo N M de Carvalho
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:17 PM
To: Kay Melzer; 'www-vrml'
Subject: RE: [www-vrml] SP2 vs. The Plugins: Anchor Node Bug
It's a feature, not a bug. From Section 9.4.1
"If non-X3D data is retrieved, the browser shall determine
how to handle that data; typically, it will be passed to an
appropriate non-X3D browser."
Typically but not necessarilly.
Cheers,
Goncalo
--- Kay Melzer <research@kays-gadgets.de> wrote:
> There is another BUG(?!):
> Every anchor node to a html (non-3d file) in a wrl/x3d file is
> filtered in Flux, BS-Contact and Blaxxun (in IE) after
clicking onto
> the reffering 3d-object in the 3d space.
> No error sound, no hint....
> Is there a solution for this problem?
>
> Kay Melzer
>
> Dipl.Inform.(FH)
> Creator of MedWorld3D
> FH-Dortmund - University of applied sciences Abteilung
> medizin-technische Informatik Department of medical
computer sciences
> Dortmund - Germany
>
>
> Business contact:
> FH-Dortmund, Abtlg. med. techn. Informatik Kay Melzer -
Hauspostkasten
> 52 Emil-Figge-Str. 42
> 44227 Dortmund
> EMail: kay.melzer@fh-dortmund.de
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> Web: www.3d-node.com
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> Phone: +49 179 1354278
> Fax: +49 179 1354278
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-www-vrml@web3d.org
> > [mailto:owner-www-vrml@web3d.org] On Behalf Of
> George Birbilis
> > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:46 AM
> > To: Paul Aslin; 'www-vrml'
> > Subject: Re: [www-vrml] SP2 vs. The Plugins
> >
> > > Oh BTW the missing status bar in SP1 or later
> version of XP is
> > > actually a bug, the bar comes and goes at will.
> Which is not a good
> > > thing when there is where the security "padlock"
> > > icon is displayed.
> >
> > it's available from View menu of IE, but maybe if
> a page
> > writes to the status bar via JavaScript, IE shows
> the
> > statusbar automatically if it's hidden (haven't
> tried it).
> > BTW, a page can hide the statusbar when they open
> a new HTML
> > window (these are called "window decorations" in
> Netscape
> > terminology I think). I agree the "padlock" and
> other
> > status/feedback icons are a problem, but web
> browsers were
> > designed like that originally cause Netscape
> envisioned them
> > as an application platform that would replace
> classic desktop
> > OS GUIs, like Windows. Few custom app GUI
> designers would
> > like to have that bar at the bottom of their
> window
> >
> > > > That was already a case and so is with signed
> applets
> > etc. You can't
> > > > split that in two prompts, one before
> downloading the
> > resource and
> > > > one after (once the OS checked the file
> downloaded OK, is signed
> > > > with a valid certificate, has not been
> tampered with etc.). You
> > > > can't split that in two files either, you have
> to prompt the user
> > > > ONCE before installing. The activeX control is
> thus considered an
> > > > integral part of the page functionality and
> the whole page isn't
> > > > considered yet downloaded till that downloads
> > >
> > > But this is exactly what happens when you
> download an .exe
> > program of
> > > a website or CD !
> > > Firstly it asks if you wish to 'run' or 'save'
> the file. If
> > you then
> > > choose 'run' it downloads the file and then
> presents the install
> > > wizard etc.
> >
> > In the case you mention (download a file), you're
> in fact
> > prompted only once if you select to "run" the
> file, not
> > twice. The executable you run may not show any GUI
> etc. and
> > just run. There's no install wizard, it just
> happens that
> > most stuff you download, AFTER THEY RUN, show a
> GUI since
> > they're self-extractable archives that contain an
installation GUI
> > (much friendlier than unix
> tarballs, but
> > it's executable code that before you run you don't
> know what it is).
> >
> > BTW, it seems XP SP2 now marks executables
> downloaded from
> > the internet somehow in your system (maybe in
> metainfo at the
> > filesystem, don't suppose it modifies the .EXE
> cause it would
> > break some installers if it did so [they'd think
> the EXE was
> > cracked]). Whenever you run those executables in
> the future,
> > it shows a dialog saying this was downloaded from
> the net, it
> > checks if they're digitally signed or not, if the
> signature
> > is valid (file not tampered with) and aks if
> you're sure you
> > want to run them (plus has option to not prompt
> for that
> > specific file again in the future). Much better
> for new users
> > in security means. In previous Windows versions
> (e.g.
> > on a Win2000), I had reported to MS that it wasn't
> even
> > checking if a file was signed and tampered with
> (invalid
> > signature) to warn you before you run that file
> (you had to
> > right click the file yourself before running it
> and see its
> > property pages to check if there was a signature
> and if it
> > was valid which was too much for everyday use)
> >
> > > > (place the site in
> > > > non-trusted zone to avoid the download in the
> first place if you
> > > > care about speed, or change the settings for
> the
> > "Internet zone" and
> > > > make it NEVER download ActiveX controls is you
> want
> > speedup and are
> > > > sure you won't need and will not want to use
> ActiveX
> > controls ever)
> > >
> > > Try writing a step by step tutorial on the
> process of doing
> > this and
> > > you will realize that this is not exactly a user
> friendly task.
> >
> > very easy:
> >
> > 1) click on the address bar (if not visible,
> select menu
> > option View/Toolbars/Address bar)
> > 2) click at the first character of the host part
> of the URL
> > address (e.g.
> > the first "w" char of www.someserver.com)
> > 3) shift+click at the last character of the host
> part of the
> > URL address (e.g. the last "m" char of
> www.someserver.com) to
> > select that part
> > 4) right click on the selected URL address part
> and select
> > "Copy" from the popup menu
> > 5) go to "Tools/Internet Options..." menu
> > 6) click on the "Security" tab
> > 7) click on "Restricted sites"
> > 8) press the "Default Level" button so that you
> see the
> > reading "High" at the "Security level" scrollbar
> > 9) press the "Sites..." button (a new dialog will
> open)
> > 10) right click in the textbox labeled "Add this
> website to
> > the zone:" and select "Paste" from the popup menu
> > 11) press the "Add" button
> > 12) press OK to close the "Restricted sites"
> dialog
> > 13) press OK to close the "Internet Options"
> dialog
>
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